On the contrary, this was the issue at hand. Perhaps I read too much into the OP. My inference was not a whine about no torps on the naga, but that tier3 bc's highlighted something we already knew about large missile and drone weapon systems: that they perform very poorly outside stealth bombers in pvp compared to their turret counterparts.

Don't misconstrue my posting to be some commentary on the naga as a turret ship. I've made it abundantly clear that it should be that way and I like it that way. My commentary was simply to point out that it wouldn't work any other way and that indicates a problem with torpedoes and cruise missiles. I was also quick to applaud his promise of an upcoming missile discussion.

I think i'll have to wait for that dialogue to have my questions answered.

why battleship+ sized missiles are not very appealing on ships other than stealth bombers.

Correct. That's what i'd like to read about.

Why is it when people compare gunnery to missile training times they always include the support skills for gunnery and ignore them for missiles?

One launcher skill does not apply to unguided missiles in much the same way one gunnery skill does not apply to capless turrets. Valid argument that missile trained alts skill into their t2 large/med weapons marginally faster though.

And what use is Controlled Bursts skill to minmatar? or Trajectory Analysis to amarr?

But thats an aside, my point is that the hue and cry from gunnery pilots about training times difference is usually pretty biased. When you factor in all support skills training times difference is very marginal.

There are only 7 missile launcher weapon systems in the game and 54 different turret weapon systems. (sub-capital)

Only 61% of the training is not a good deal overall as those gunnery skills support almost 8x as many weapons. I'm not saying that is broken, but it certainly leaves no room for complaints about missiles being light on sp. As I said, it's quite valid to point out the efficient nature of training strait into a battleship weapon system for a specific use, but for the number of weapons and ships you are getting, it's much less efficient overall than gunnery.

Who said anything about harder to train? That's completely idiotic and non-senseical. They're both perception/willpower skillsets, have the same training modifiers, and like every other skill in EVE they simply train for you - no input required except throwing them in the queue.

I think i've been careful to say, repeatedly, that missiles take fewer sp to train for and can be surgically trained for with much less time. As you say, that's a fact. The whole debate about missile and gunnery balance isn't the subject matter at hand.

Unless you weren't addressing my post, in which case, vOv.

I imagine when you say you have 18 mil in turret skils you are crosstrained in every turret type. There are 18 Turret types and 7 Launcher types in sub capital ships, yeah you got 7 more mil in Turret skills but you have 11 more weapon systems. Compare the skill points you need for 7 turret systems to 7 launcher systems and you won't find that big a difference and its quite possible that the turrets are less skill intensive. Especially when you consider that to train long and short range versions of a turret weapon specialization you only need to take one skill to level 4 but to train long and short versions of a launcher system you need to train 2 different skills to level 5.